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Bon Banned

January 27, 2009

Subforum: Traditions > East Asian Buddhism > Chan/Zen/Seon General Forum
Thread title: Zen and Taoism, Why Blocked?
Page: 1
Date : Oct 17th 2008

Forum member:

“The establishment of Zen is traditionally credited to the Indian prince turned monk Bodhidharma who is recorded as having come to China to teach a “special transmission outside scriptures” which “did not stand upon words”. The emergence of Zen as a distinct school of Buddhism was first documented in China in the 7th century CE. It is thought to have developed as an amalgam of various currents in Mahāyāna Buddhist thought—among them the Yogācāra and Madhyamaka philosophies and the Prajñāpāramitā literature—and of local traditions in China, particularly Taoism and Huáyán Buddhism. From China, Zen subsequently spread southwards to Vietnam and eastwards to Korea and Japan.” Wikipedia

Taoism was a building block of Zen. How can it be excluded from a discussion on a Zen forum? Taoism was a local tradition in China which is reputed to have given Zen it’s “to the point”, pithy nature. Should we block any discussion of Buddhism with regard to Zen, because it too was only a component of it. Where do the arbitrary distinctions stop?

Forum member:

Namdrol disapproved.

Forum member:

You might as well ask how the Bon forum can first be archived, then deleted altogether when the Dalai Lama personally approves of it as the fifth Tibetan tradition. However, Namdrol is of the opinion that it’s only a cheap knock-off of Buddhism (I think he used those exact words), so it’s got to go.

Namdrol (Former Esangha Global Moderator):

Right, Bon is a Tibetan spiritual tradition, but it is not a Buddhist tradition. I am not against Bon, per se. But there certain historical realities that Bonpoas will not admit. Since this is so, we decided to close the Bon forum after Bonpos persisted in denying their basic historical debt to Buddhism.

Taoism is a non-Buddhist school. It’s view, as I said before is similar to the Indian Samkhya school. There is no place for this discussion, since as Anders pointed out, it is a frickin dead horse. The sound of people kicking it however is a public disturbance.