Tsem Tulku Rinpoche

Subforum: Traditions > Tibetan Buddhism > Gelug Fellowship Forum
Thread title: Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, monastic robes and Setrap puja
Date: March 25 – 28 2008

Forum members celebrate the contemporary Buddhist Master Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, references are made to his videos such as this one:

at:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkICMrNG78M

In the middle of this celebration, Henry the global moderator weighs in with:

however, i am very strange abt Rinpoche’s position to NKT “Geshe” Kelsang Gyatso…

Rinpoche said:

“Those of us who follow teachers that are renowned, that you can see the result of their holy pracitce, you can see the result of their prayers and their hard work, and we should have faith and respect.His Holiness Dilgo Khentse Rinpoche, the great Nyingma master, His Holiness Khabjon Trijang Rinpoche, we should know what they are about and understand the dharma then we can check on a low level. The great master, the Kadampa Geshe, Kelsang Gyatso, you can see very clearly his works, his centers, his books, his pure vows, and how many thousands of people he effects, and we like or we don’t like, can see result, we accept or we don’t accept, it doesn’t really matter, I’m not at the level to judge and I’m not at the level to see, all I”m at the level is teach the dharma, teach guru devotion make students and their real and their teachers strong make them understand the dharma, so that they can apply to their own personal don’t give your practice to them, don’t change them.”

you can find this:
Video on Karma & its Relations to Vows (2 of 2) Part 2 found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NJkuR3pk6Q (fixed the hyperlink)

10:15 on the recording (10 mins into this video)

did i hear wrongly?

Forum members debate the rights and wrongs of praising Geshe Kelsang Gyatso who is persona non grata at E-sangha.

Then we have:
Losang Dorje

I think we should all mind our own business.

The Giant Albion (E-Sangha Moderator)

Generally, yes. But there are exceptions.

Some of us may be students of Tsem Tulku already, or may be interested in taking teachings from him. His views on Kelsang Gyatso are very relevant to these people. Best thing is to take mr walfington’s advice and just ask for clarification, and take whatever is said at face value and move on.

Henry (E-Sangha Global Moderator)

thus, this is the reason why i have merged Pero’s posts into this main thread.

besides, Tsem Rinpoche’s views do not represent general Tibetan Buddhism, and general Gelugpa views.

so for his (internet) students, if you want to maintain the bond with him, please seek clarification from him, and do post his replies in this thread (if any).

The debate continues with some people suggesting he may have been praising the 7th Dalai Lama – Kelsang Gyatso.

Then the big guns join in:

Namdrol (former E-sangha global moderator)

No you are wrong. He was praising Kalsang Gyatso of NKT fame– just open your eyes and and ears. Don’t make the error of fooling yourself over this out of misguided loyalty.

What Tsem Tulku is saying is that as far as he is concerned, he is not in a position to judge, and he is asserting that the results speak for themselves (i.e. his books, centers, etc.). He is the one calling Kelsang Gyatso of the NKT a “great master” and that statement speaks for itself.

Chigpu (E-sangha administrator)

Why would anybody want to associate with people like this?

The thread is closed at that point.

There was a recent thread on Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, which illustrates that E-sangha may have added him to the list of banned topics:

Subforum: Traditions > Tibetan Buddhism > Tibetan Buddhism General Forum
Thread title: Tsem Tulku Rinpoche, greatest lama evar
Date: Jan 27 2009, 03:22 AM

Individual:

Tsem Tulku Rinpoche is a great Lama.

What do you all think?

If I weren’t so radically non-sectarian (and thus unable to explicitly become any guru’s disciple) and weren’t weary of the burden of having a guru, I might go out and be a follower of his. At the very least, though, I’d like to see him around someday. He seems neat. I hope he isn’t under-appreciated.

Trinlè Lhundrup

I enjoyed watching the YouTube stuff when I got turned onto him a few months ago, but I have to say the in-your-face sarcasm wears on me after a bit. He seems to have a strong following. Nice to see someone shaking things up.

Henry (E-sangha global moderator) refers readers back to the above thread where Henry himself had picked up on 30 seconds of praise for Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. Those 30 seconds seem to have been enough to get Tsem Tulku Rinpoche discussions banned on E-sangha.

please see this thread.

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=58762

this thread will be closed.

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